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From Steno: Jennifer Marlowe Date: 05/22/90 Time: 22:26EDT Attendees: [[Kelton] KESMAI] [[John] SGT.DUDE] [[Lady in Red] LIR] [[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER] [[Fang] J.FAULKEN] [[SoLo] S.LEE19] [[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH] [[mike] M.KELLER1] [PROMPT-CRIT] [[Larry] L.WOODWORTH] [R.WINSLOW] [[Ridge Runner] DARK.EMPIRE] [[Da Sloth] R.BINGHAM2] [T.W.ANDERSON] [D.CHRIEST] [[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY] [R.GROZIER] [T.PARR] [[Pursuader] JEFFG] Minutes: <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, now we'll start we'll try to do this informal like, if it doesn't get too messy.. and ga when you are done but first... i'll comment on warps, so we can dispense with that issue I know everyone is unhappy about warps, *I* am unhappy about warps... and we're working on them as fast as we can. ... basically what happened is that a new scheme we put into this version ... seemed to work pretty well in the beta, but when we get it into ... a live situation with folks from all over and so on... it didn't work like we wanted it to. ... SO ... we've made a number of changes in the past 2 days, on the host. ... if you see warping TONIGHT, that means something to me ... warping you saw over the weekend is something we know all about :( what you might still see ... is that some flights will be good, and others not so good it depends on how the host and the micro hook up to each other ... when they take off ... so if you see warping on radar when you are on the runway ... try just ending and /flying again. it might help. ... so thats basically the scoop on warping. .... now, for quick intros ... I am also known as LK or Lord Kalvan ... I do the Mac programming and most of the host. ... John aka Sgt Dude, does the Atari ST programming ... and Dave, who unfortunately isn't here tonight ... does the PC and Amiga programming. ... so REALLY specific PC or Amiga questions may have to wait. ... Ok, I guess I'll open the floor for questions ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> ironman, you first <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> I was online just before this and entered a stallfight with another Spit...! and the warping was NON-EXISTANT! ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> great! <[caligula] S.EVANS6> so warping is fixed? <[Ridge Runner] DARK.EMPIRE> I was also in that fight and agree...no warps <[Kelton] KESMAI> thats what I like to hear! <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, M.KELLER1 is next ga <[mike] M.KELLER1> kelton, everyone is concerned about warps... would you describe what a warp on radar or in your view... should look like? so we can get rid of the "imaginary warps" ga. <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, i'll describe a little of the "physics" of a warp ... a warp will happen whenever the information that reaches your micro ... disagrees with the data your micro got a second earlier, and has been ... busy drawing on your screen. ... that can happen for a couple of reasons ... some normal and some not ... first the normal ones ... if you are tracking someone in a stall fight, for instance ... and the other fellow reverses the direction of his turn ... it takes a few seconds for that information to make its way through ... the network and the host to you ... so when you get the news, your machinbe thinks "oops, he's going THATTAWAY!" and you see him jump ... <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> ! - I'm surprised it works as good as it DOES! ga (sorry) <[Kelton] KESMAI> if things are reigned in well, it'll be a fairly smalljump ... but it'll *always* do that, till we have ISDN and 56,000 baud into ... everyones home. ... a warp can also be caused by someone having bad network response ... if he's slow, his screen will warp, and anyone who sees him .. will see him warping. ... thats also "normal", but if there's a network problem we or GEnie ... can sometimes find it. ... the abnormal warps we've seen lately ... are caused by either REALLY bad system performance, like a month ago ... or software problems. THOSE we fix as fast as we can nail em down. ... the whole reason we're going through all this ... is that we've added some new capabilities to the new version ... that, when we get the glitches out, should be smoother than ever. ... but, alas, there are a few glitches. ... does that explain em better? ga <[mike] M.KELLER1> yes. but how "big" a jump onscreen is "normal"?ga <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> soooo - what does delays, history, and trips actually MEAN from ESC D? and... <[Kelton] KESMAI> uhh, if the bogey jumpos from mid-screen off screen ... <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> what DOES esc Q do?????? <ga> <[Kelton] KESMAI> thats bigger than we'd like. ga <[SoLo] S.LEE19> ahhhh <[mike] M.KELLER1> haha right. thanks.ga <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ! I've got some film of that ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, esq q ... the mac doesn't do esc q, so i'm not sure Dave is the person who knows that one, alas. ... i think it measures line noise. ... <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> <sigh> :) <[SoLo] S.LEE19> nice talk on warps LK <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ? what does that information mean to me (esc D) ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> esc d i know ... esc d tells you really one thing ... the "delay" number is basically how long its taking ... to get data into the host ... <[SoLo] S.LEE19> it doesnt tell u about warps <[Kelton] KESMAI> delay of 1 is great delay of 2 is common <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> ? - seconds??? <[Kelton] KESMAI> umm, yes seconds. <R.MATHEWSS> Does that work on all machines? <[Kelton] KESMAI> if you see anything much worse that 4 or so ... let us know so we can have GE check your network path. ... the trips and history are just counters of how many packets have gone ... not real important. ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ? so why were warps worse for me ltonite then last nite? ga <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> ! - thanx <[SoLo] S.LEE19> almost no warps last night late <[Kelton] KESMAI> warps were worse tonight than last night because your network path ... tonight was a little sloppier than last night ... the delay, which is an average, may have been no worse. ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ! yes, delay was 2 for me ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> but the individual packet than the host and micro exchange ... to get started did badly. ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ! I'll try that re-taking off thing ga <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> R.MATHEWS -> I think ESC D is standard among machines.. . <[Kelton] KESMAI> we're working on a micro fix that'll be able to adjust properly for that. ... <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> <ga> <[Kelton] KESMAI> that'll be in the next round of updates, whenever they are ready. ... bug fixes and all :( ok, T.FAHEY4 is next I think <T.FAHEY4> i'd like to know how to load ammo on a mosquitq <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ! YEA how 'bout that poor Skeeter? ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, on the mossie ... we're modelling the Mosquito Mark XVI bomber ... which was the late war successor to the Mark IV. ... it didn't carry any guns, could carry 4 500 lb bombs or 1 4000 lb there were dozens of other mossies ... fighter bombers, night fighters, photo recon planes, and so on ... we felt that it might be interesting to use the unarmed bomber ... since we don't have anything like that. ... y'all will note that it *does* have a pipper ... so should a fighter bomber or ground attacvk version be needed ... for a campaign or special event, we can do it. ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ! I'd love to stall fight an FW in Mossy ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> i know thats precisely why I did what I did :) <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (boo) hehehe <T.FAHEY4> ok so no guns on the mossie.... what is the purpose of c-47? <[Kelton] KESMAI> C-47 drops paratroops, has nothing to do with the mossie c-47 isn't a bomber in the usual sense, its a transport. <T.FAHEY4> ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, Fool is next ... <[Fool] J.HOLLINGSW1> thanks... is bullet time of flt now taken into account? <[Kelton] KESMAI> yes its half time just like the flight of the planes ... so it takes 2 seconds real time to hit at 800 yards. <[Fool] J.HOLLINGSW1> IE no more kills at 1000yds at 300kts <[Kelton] KESMAI> budman tells me we'll be talking about the new gunnery next week ... in the training session. ... they'll be a LOT harder ... because the way the new gunnery works is it computes how close the bullets ... pass to the target. ... whereas the old stuff computed the angle ... so the new gunnery gets narrower and narrower the farther away you get. ... you can see that by adjusting your pipper range, thats what its telling you. <[Fool] J.HOLLINGSW1> ok thanks ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> Fang is next ga <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ! which Spit wing is this? I have 2 types of Mk. IX wing in my book... there's a "B" type with 4 20mm cannons, and a "C" type with 2 cannons and 2 .50 cal. MG, no 30cal ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> umm the E wing has 2 20 mm cannons and 2 0.50 cal ... I'm almost certain the C wing has 2 20 mm and 4 0.30's ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ! right, sorry, th e E wing <[Kelton] KESMAI> we're using the E wing ... which came into use later in the war. ... it turns out the lethality, i.e. effectiveness ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> lethality is nil with MG <[Kelton] KESMAI> of the 2 0.50 calibers is higher than the 4 0.30's ... yet the weight is lower, thats why they switched. ... <[Fool] J.HOLLINGSW1> is this info in the AW manual? <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ! I took 9 count em 9 hits from MG, and NOTHING... <[mike] M.KELLER1> yes, Fool <[Kelton] KESMAI> yes, it is <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> good - I finally ordered one :) <ga> <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> when is cannon out? ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> thats in manual too ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (it hasn't come yet) <[mike] M.KELLER1> cannon is out at about 50% <[Fool] J.HOLLINGSW1> 50% <[mike] M.KELLER1> maybe 45% <[John] SGT.DUDE> page 76 <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (still waiting for manual) <[Kelton] KESMAI> yeah about 48% , thereabouts ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, cary is next ga <[Cary] CGEE> thanx... Can armored vehicles be destroyed from the air? ie: bombs, cannons, mgs... ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> yes ... bombs will definately kill, but it may be tricky to hit ... such a small moving target. ... cannons can kill from short range. ... i've gotten a few confirmed tank killings with Fw 190's ... the code has the provision for a 40mm cannon ... should be ever want to add a real tank killer ... effective range with a fw 190 is about 150 yards ... with 0.50 machine guns ... <[John] SGT.DUDE> (you have to use the FOrce) <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> hehe <[mike] M.KELLER1> yes, Luke <[Cary] CGEE> hehe-ok, thanx. <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> how close? <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> !-But killing tank with FW used up half my ammo. <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (Hurricane tank killer) <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> ouch -tanx... ga <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> !-whew! no wonder! <[Kelton] KESMAI> you can kill a guy sitting in top ... and can poke a hole in the gas tank (the soviets put the fuel ... outside for reasons known only to them) but thats all. ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (happened to me) <[Kelton] KESMAI> 0.30 machine guns can't damage tank at all. ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> D.CHRIEST is next ga <D.CHRIEST> What is the command to deploy troops from the C47? How can a neutral island be captured,and how long will it stay that way? Can you upload a complete list of commands for Air Warrior to the library, including the new vehicles? Please? ga <[John] SGT.DUDE> buy the manual <grin> <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, the troops are ejected from the C-47 by telling them ... to go over the intercom ... the command is *g ... so you hit ' *g then return ... that makes one guy jump ... they won't jump below 500 feet. ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (I wouldn't either) <[Kelton] KESMAI> neutral fields are captured ... <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> ! - it IS neat to watch! :) <ga> <[Kelton] KESMAI> by knocking out the critical target ... killing any acks in the area ... and then dropping 8 troops within 1/4 mile or so ... of the field, all in 5 minutes. ... the critical target for most of the fields is the tower ... the tank garages on the atoll are undefended ... so you just drop the troops on them to capture ... the field stays captured until someone else takes it ... or the game shuts down, like at 8 in the morning when everyone leaves ... then it goes back to neutral. ... <D.CHRIEST> The new vehicle commands are not in the new manual! Sigh. ga <[mike] M.KELLER1> manual is great buy, came in two days from ordering... <[Kelton] KESMAI> M.KELLER1 is next ga <[mike] M.KELLER1> in using tracers for gunnery... will the tracer "cloud" converge where the pipper is set... i.e., the pip is set at 500 and the cloud converges at 500... so you know where the tracers and shells are "hitting" (or not) ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> not exactly ... the pipper is what is called a "historical sight", more or less ... more or less what they had in world war 2 ... at least in the mustang ... what it does is measure the G forces ... and predict where ... bullets that are fired NOW will be in one time-of-flight ... which is the time it takes for the bullets to go the distance .... you have your pipper set to. ... if the plane is in a steady maneuver, i.e. steady g's ... then the pipper will show where the bullets are going ... but only if the flight is steady. ... <D.CHRIEST> Sounds like Mr. Shaw's book.... <[Kelton] KESMAI> it does NOT predict the motion of the target plane in any way. ... <[mike] M.KELLER1> true <[Kelton] KESMAI> you can move the pipper in and out to guess how much lead you need to pull ... frankly, i usually ignore the pipper ... <[mike] M.KELLER1> haha <[Kelton] KESMAI> and use the seat of my pants and the tracers ... <[John] SGT.DUDE> (and the ground!) <[Kelton] KESMAI> as pappy boyington said ... <[mike] M.KELLER1> (the force) <[Kelton] KESMAI> go for zero deflection shots ... he said almost all his kills were that way ... pulling lead is much harder ... he left less clear HOW he always got those shots :) ... <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> <g> <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ! use the sun ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> and to answer a question thrown put earlier ... yes, you can hit a plane thats below your nose ... the bullets you fired are moving in a straight line ... they don't care that your nose has moved. ... Solo is next ga <[SoLo] S.LEE19> not to belabour warps...but...would what fang mentioned about "re-taking off".. would that have any effect on the host micro interface you were talking about ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> it gives the host a chance to get a better measurement ... of the line ... its basically another roll of the dice. ... we have some changes on the micro that'll make that unnecessary ... also ... I might add, that the host, starting this evening ... retries itself if it doesn't like the first answer ... <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> <kinda like my 1st grade math teacher> <[Kelton] KESMAI> so I'm not certain that reflying WILL help. ... its just a guess based on the comment it seemed worse today than yesterday. ... T.FAHEY4 is next ga <[SoLo] S.LEE19> thanks <T.FAHEY4> is ammo atomatically loaded on tanks? <[Kelton] KESMAI> yes it is <[mike] M.KELLER1> (how many rounds?) <T.FAHEY4> why can't i fire? <[Kelton] KESMAI> did you jump to the turret position? the driver has no guns. ... <T.FAHEY4> do u have to load it while in the tank? <[Kelton] KESMAI> no, you just jump to the gun with the jg command ... <T.FAHEY4> ok ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> then fire with the mouse button. .. L.WOODWORTH is next ga <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> three parter... Are guns on planes "sighted in" for any particular distance? <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok ... in a REAL plane, they were usually sighted in for ... like 300 yards. the aces usually had them even closer ... meaning the streams from the separtate guns would converge ... at that point. ... if you get a target there, ZAP ... air warrior isn't currently doing that, but that'd ... be a lethality adjustment on the host ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (oooh set convergance option...drool) <[Kelton] KESMAI> so we can look at it once we get the bigger issues dealt with. <[Kelton] KESMAI> ga part 2 <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> 2: What is effective range for jeep gun? Flak gun? <[Kelton] KESMAI> currently all the guns have the same rough;y 800 yards range . .. note its not exacxtly 800 yards ... because your relative velocity can make bullets travel differently ... since the bullets are really being moved now, unlike the old version. ga part 3 <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> 3: Comment. Some people have been observed trying to capture fields OTHER than the former... islands. If you can't capture, make sure you are trying at the right field! ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> right ... the capturable fields are very special ... in that they have the same number in all three countries .... thats how they are capturable. ... G.RESH is next ga <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> tanx how long (officially) does rdr stay down (and acks), etc. ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> uh oh <[Da Sloth] R.BINGHAM2> hmm? <[Kelton] KESMAI> just a sec ... <[mike] M.KELLER1> uh oh???? <[Kelton] KESMAI> (riffling thru code ) ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (tappin foot) <[Da Sloth] R.BINGHAM2> break time! <[mike] M.KELLER1> zzzzzz <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> <grin - sorry> <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> <drumming fingers on table> <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (intent stare) <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> hehe <[John] SGT.DUDE> 40 it is <[mike] M.KELLER1> <orders another beer> <MSMILLER> 42 _is_ the answer <[Da Sloth] R.BINGHAM2> how 'bout them bruins? <grin> <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (looks for 52k modem again) <[John] SGT.DUDE> but what is the question <[Da Sloth] R.BINGHAM2> 7*6=42 <[Da Sloth] R.BINGHAM2> ducks <MSMILLER> hmmm ... tricky <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, a building stays dead for 5 minutes ... a bridge for 10 ... radar is dead for 30 min. <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> AND... how come the distance in rear view is 400 MORE than "actual"... <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, on the range error ... the range error comes from network delays ... we THOUGHT we could fix it ... but alas, thats what caused all the warps ... the host was trying valiantly to adjust out the time errors ... under adverse network conditions ... which alas were pretty much normal under a 40 person load. ... so if you see someone at 1200 and you are running away from him ... assume he imight be able to hit you ... but remember ... with the new gunnery at 800 yards he has to be DAMN good ... so if you weave a bit, he;ll have trouble hitting you. ..., <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ? so 400yds is consistent error? <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> no it depends on speeds and directions ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> a gentle weave is the ticket - reality, what a concept <[Kelton] KESMAI> thats worst case in a high speed tail chase in a slower stall fight its much smaller. ... <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> ! - or do rolling scissors...? <ga> <[Kelton] KESMAI> that'd work too M.KELLER1 is next ga <[mike] M.KELLER1> 2 quick easy ones... <[mike] M.KELLER1> how many rounds does the tank cannon have?ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> 55 <[mike] M.KELLER1> and how often will the Europe and Pacific scenery swap?ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> current thought is weekly ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> so we'll go to Pacific on Friday Fang is next ga <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> I was wonderin...was there any thought to putting wing tanks on planes? ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> there really isn't much need with the current ... types of terrain and missions ... i doubt anyone would want to fly the 4 hours neceessary to make wing ... tanks useful . .. <D.CHRIEST> +0+0how 'bout plane wings on tanks? <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> <hahaha> <[Kelton] KESMAI> drive off a bridge, thats works! <[Da Sloth] R.BINGHAM2> for awhile <[Kelton] KESMAI> pursuader is next ga <[Pursuader] JEFFG> got a couple.. after radar takes a hit..do subsiquent hits reset the downtime clock? <[Kelton] KESMAI> no <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> no?!?!?!????? <[Kelton] KESMAI> umm, wait ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> if the building is gone, then no lemme check if the building is back ... <[mike] M.KELLER1> if radar is dead, it cant be killed any more! <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> kill all the carpenters/electricians 8-} <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> always felt like killing tower had cumulative effect <[Pursuader] JEFFG> but if building is back & hit again...it should reset (my opinion) <[mike] M.KELLER1> they rebuilding elsewhere! <[John] SGT.DUDE> hit the lunch wagon, that will stop them <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> hehe <[Da Sloth] R.BINGHAM2> Mike, you can mess up construction <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> HAHAHAHAHAHA <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> hehehehe - the bldg is usually back in 5 minutes anyway... <[mike] M.KELLER1> is the building back in five? but radar down for 30? <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> we hit A2 once, it came up right after. So FIELDS don't reset. <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, i think if the building is back ...' then blowing it up again would reset time. ... i *think*, in a quick look at it. <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> gawd - I'd love to see the code he's checkin now (drool)... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> carpenters are faster than electricians 8-} <[Lady in Red] LIR> oh no, thn radar cud be down for hours <[Pursuader] JEFFG> can 8 hits from a tank close a runway? <[Kelton] KESMAI> umm, no lemme check thats correct a tank cannot kill an airfield or sink a carrier ... ga <[Pursuader] JEFFG> what is tank range? (of cannon) <[Kelton] KESMAI> range is about 5 kilometers ... if you just cranked the gun up and fired ... the host uses the actual muzzle velocity of the T-34's gun ... and uses a table of air drag to work out where the shell goes ... about 5000 yards could be farther, but accuracy isn't good at that range <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> (my hats off to you guys - talk about SIMULATION!)...ga <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> danja <[Pursuader] JEFFG> any cnance for tank scoring? as in fighter, bomber, & wwI stuff you have now? <[Kelton] KESMAI> maybe, i need to think about it... its a fairly big change :( ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (no artillery-style gunsight for lobbing 'em either on T34) <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> any chance of it being retroactive? 8-} <[Kelton] KESMAI> no, not at all, fang, <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> 8-{ <[Pursuader] JEFFG> ok..switching topics...how much of the FW's ammo is cannon? (how many bursts?) <[Kelton] KESMAI> the manual has a table of gun times. ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> s.dombrowsky is next ga <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> 3 questions <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> how long are runway closed after being hit <[Kelton] KESMAI> 30 minutes currently all bombs must hit within 5 minutes of each other they fill in the craters in 5 mins other wise <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ? is this stuff in that manual we don't have? ga <[mike] M.KELLER1> no fang <[Kelton] KESMAI> no, cause this kinda stuff i reserve the right to change ... now and then. don't want it down on paper ;) <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> hehehehe ok (gets white-out) oh...sorry (scribbles over it) <[Lady in Red] LIR> how many bombs must hit runway? <[Kelton] KESMAI> 8 currently <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> how much do you need to use campaign theater time that is <[Kelton] KESMAI> to participate in a campagn? <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> yes <[Kelton] KESMAI> it usually runs about 2 hours thereabouts ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> at least 2 hrs <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> can 2 squadrons plan there own missions? <[Kelton] KESMAI> sometimes longer ... and sometimes in two parts. <[Kelton] KESMAI> sure, they can do a pickup match any time ... if they want some of the special features ... just send mail to KESMAI ... <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> ok thnx <[Kelton] KESMAI> i have a mailing i can send out with special commands ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> or, there are a few folks w/CampLdr Priv's who can set flags on demand <[Kelton] KESMAI> i need a couple days notice. ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> T.W.ANDERSON is next ga <T.W.ANDERSON> ?what about the digtized sound not working for Old Macs? <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, it goes like this ... Apple changed the sound routines in the newer systems ... <[John] SGT.DUDE> get out the violins <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> hehe <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> hehe <[Kelton] KESMAI> adding new features and such ... <T.W.ANDERSON> hehe <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (turns up guitar) <[mike] M.KELLER1> <sniff> <[Kelton] KESMAI> they also changed the format of the sound data ... <[mike] M.KELLER1> <hanky> <[Kelton] KESMAI> from whatever the 3rd party cooked up ... <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> <fade in of French Horns> <[Kelton] KESMAI> in our case 'wave' 's to the new 'snd ' resources HyperCard uses ... <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (for those non technical types, this = forget it) <[Kelton] KESMAI> we decided to switch over to ther new routines for 3 reasons . .. #1 they work faster on the Mac Plus/SE ... #2 they work with multifinder #3 they work with the deadly system 7.0 <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (coming real soon now *cough*) <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (laughs hilariously) <[mike] M.KELLER1> <buy a Timex Sinclair> <[Kelton] KESMAI> we decided that it would be best to switch completely ... to the new routines. ... <T.W.ANDERSON> Jeez! <[Kelton] KESMAI> if you have a plus or an SE ... the newer systems improve the performance of the sound in air warrior ... substantially. ... its actually a performance win. thats why we decided just to switch ... thats System 6.0.2 or later ... what mac do you have? <T.W.ANDERSON> ?512 upgraded to 2 megs? <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (pain ... agony ... suffereing) <[Kelton] KESMAI> you should be able to run 6.0.2, i think ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> it doesn't work? <T.W.ANDERSON> !I do <[Kelton] KESMAI> oh! <T.W.ANDERSON> !no digitized sound here <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (get a Radius, TW) <[Kelton] KESMAI> did you download the new files? <[Kelton] KESMAI> or is the menu entry grayed out? <T.W.ANDERSON> !explain new files <[mike] M.KELLER1> is "digitized" selected? <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> like i was saying about the 'wave' and the 'snd ' resources .. <T.W.ANDERSON> !u said old sound is faster... <[Kelton] KESMAI> there are new sound files up in the lbrary ... including some really nifty ones ... old sound is faster on Mac II new sound is faster on Mac Plus/SE ... thats apple for you ... <T.W.ANDERSON> So whats the problem? <T.W.ANDERSON> !new sound file? <[Kelton] KESMAI> i think you need to download the new file, the old one is no good anymore. <T.W.ANDERSON> !thanks <[Kelton] KESMAI> there are 3 up there, a straight conversion of the old one ... with a few new sounds ... <PROMPT-CRIT> has left. <[Kelton] KESMAI> a huge 22 Khz file thats really neat ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> and a tank sound file . .. <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (my neighbors HATE that one) <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, Dok is next ga <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (where dat Corsair file you rpomised?) <[Kelton] KESMAI> sorry! <T.W.ANDERSON> !that p40 sound like a washing machine! <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> ok ... a couple things ... quasi-related ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> First, can't seem to hit tanks at all well w/aircraft guns ... and when I can, nothing much happens. Is this right? On the same tack ... do you take top armor into account for cannon attacks from vertical? ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> cannons can kill tanks from like 150 yards or less... and I've gotten a few reports of success ... the host KNOWS which directions shots are from ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> hits are near-impossible tho - and I'm talking point-blank, flaps-down <[Kelton] KESMAI> and even knows, or tries, whwat part of a tank the shell hits ... so it'd be nice to model that, but we're not yet. ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> ok ... on a similar line of thought ... what are the parameters for blwoing yourself up w/your own bombs. I've seen ... tanks survive 4 hits w/in 50 yards and I get nailed moving away at 300ft and ... 250 kts <[mike] M.KELLER1> <serious shrapnel> <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> slant range from blast is pretty good, soncsidering delay on drop <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> kelton? <[John] SGT.DUDE> i hear him rustling paper <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> ah <[mike] M.KELLER1> <looking at code> <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> <must be a LONG reply!> <[Kelton] KESMAI> i think the blast radius is like50 yards <T.W.ANDERSON> ! <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> so why you get blowed up at 300yds up and 300 yds downramnge? <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> <hehe, THAT's his problem!> <[Kelton] KESMAI> planes don't take much damage, pretty much any touch from a bomb ... will kill it. tank should die from one direct hit ... i think. <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> would think it wouldn't have to be THAT direct from 500lb <[Kelton] KESMAI> could be net delay, you were closer when the host saw the explosion. ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> i think bomb spread is extending below the plane on those low runs ... just a .. hunch <[Kelton] KESMAI> could be. <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> there's at least a 2 second lag from when you kick em loose to det. ... that should be enough time to get to 300+ ft and downrange but it ain't <[Kelton] KESMAI> the bomb does fall in real time ... plus a bit of lag ok, i can look at where the lags come in... and i can't SWEAR I read the blast radius right ... <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> But bombs moving same speed as plane, right? <D.NOVACK> inertia? <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> until it hits dirt, then I assume a timed fuse <[mike] M.KELLER1> starts out at same speed, but slows quickly <[Kelton] KESMAI> the tank does have a smaller range. bomb falls in parabolic course and speed of plane... and along the dive angle ... ga <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (technical talk for don't drop bombs at 300ft) <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> ok ... might wanna play around w/it on 869 and see what gives ... 300 ft should be fine ... I've seen footage of REAL low-level stuff <[Kelton] KESMAI> yep! rgr, let me know, dok! ok, garos is next ga <R.WINSLOW> Three parts (1) Is the roll rate 1/2 time or full time? <[Kelton] KESMAI> roll rates is full time ... a decision we made early on to keep the planes ... fairly responsive ... that showed the rates were higher than we thought. ... (i droning on a bit) they are mighty quick on the fw and sabre. that was before we had the more accurate data we have now ... ok #2 ... <R.WINSLOW> You mentioned that HQ was critical target re field capture.... ...so what is/are exceptions? <[Kelton] KESMAI> the 5 capturable airfields have have towers ... that must be destroyed ... the 2 capturable garages don't. <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> 5? <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (3 ETO, 2 PAC) <[Kelton] KESMAI> 3 in europe and 2 in the atoll <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (goes outside to see where cat is in relation to the skunk he smells) <[Kelton] KESMAI> the 3 airfields that used to be on the islands ... in the current terrain ... are capturable, as they always were intended to be. ... 2 in the atoll in the pacific layout are the same ... and 2 garages in the atoll can also be captured ... they have no defenses, so the action will be heavy around them :) ga garos, part 3 <R.WINSLOW> (3) the pipper is now plotted only within sight box.... it would be instructive for us all if they were.... plotted outside as well. Prospects? ga <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (unauthentic) <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (that what tracers fer) <[Kelton] KESMAI> thats to model the fact that the pipper is an optical image .. . in a small piece of glass in front of the pilot ... when it goes off the glass, he can't see it. ... the size of the rectangle was somewhat arbitrary. <R.WINSLOW> Yes, I understand. It's a good model, but... I was thinking of the instructional value of outside plotting, since.. we dont have a flight school available. Ga <[mike] M.KELLER1> tuesday night flight school <[Kelton] KESMAI> i think the tracers probably do that better especially in playback mode :) <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (tracers much more useful to get "feel" of it) <R.WINSLOW> Thanks, LK, ga next <[Kelton] KESMAI> bullet is next ga <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> 3 questions <[John] SGT.DUDE> last call formal question list <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> 1) why doesn't the mosquito have a fwd gun? <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok we already did that, so real quick ... we're using the Mark XVI unarmed bomber version ... because I wanted to mix the planes up a bit :) <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> ok <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> <so this game doesn't get renamed "Mosquito Warrior"> <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> 616 Squad. <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (also too dangerous to put up Mosi w/guns w/me around :) <[Kelton] KESMAI> next part ga <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> 2) Why doesn't the person dropping troops get any pts? because i didn't code that when i put it together .... i kinda figured that the taking iof the field ... would be enough of a rewrd <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (random pts for dropping chutes could be used to cheat too) <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> watchin the Paras is enough of a reward Kelton <[Kelton] KESMAI> we can think about points when things calm down a bit :) <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> :-) <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> and good for chaff too 8-} <[Kelton] KESMAI> very true, dok, it'd need some thought <[Kelton] KESMAI> ga part 3, bullet <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> 3) What is maximum number allowed in squad ? <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> 16 <[Cougar] R.LINCICUM1> 16 still? <[Kelton] KESMAI> 16 <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (oops ... sorry ... I not answerin .. habit) <[Bullet] S.DOMBROWSKY> Will ever be lowered? <[Kelton] KESMAI> i don't see the need to lower it at this point. <[Kelton] KESMAI> ga guy.resh <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> Thanx - is the Covox board stereo? (i.e. how does it compare to stock Amiga?) ... I was thinkin of gettin one so PC at work is as "great!" as my Amiga at home :) ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> no, we think its not stereo dave would know, send mail and we can check btw ... the next amiga version supports stereo samples, so i am told. ... <[Cougar] R.LINCICUM1> GREAT!!!! <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (snicker) <[mike] M.KELLER1> <aarrrggghhh> <[Info Maniac] GUY.RESH> just in time for my Amiga 3000! :) thanx! <[Kelton] KESMAI> ironman next, ga <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> On the sound subject... Has your IBM guru gotten a Sound Blaster yet? <[Kelton] KESMAI> no, not yet <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> :-( GA. <D.NOVACK> speaking of IBM... <[Kelton] KESMAI> i think ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> the sound blaster is the synthesizer ... that doesn't do what we want never mind <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (guru = one who can read the manuals) <[Kelton] KESMAI> the dud is correcting ,me <[mike] M.KELLER1> the "dud?"!!! <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> Huh? It does DMA digital sound! <[Kelton] KESMAI> the "game blaster" is the one that dikdn't work <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (guru = one who ignores the manuals) <D.NOVACK> I thought guru = one who tried... <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> rgr <[Kelton] KESMAI> sound blaster is the good one you are correct larry and no, we don't have it yet. <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> GA <[Kelton] KESMAI> d.novack is next ga <D.NOVACK> dloaded w/ymodem IBM 386sx p command bounces me out to dos...why? <[Kelton] KESMAI> when you bail out you get dumped to dos? how much memory do ytou have? <D.NOVACK> 4 meg no, p direct should flip instrument panel to prior messages right? <[Kelton] KESMAI> correct, that bombs you out? well, i can't answer that, if you send feedback to KESMAI, i'll present it to the PC programmer <grin> <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (helps the buck go bye) <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> what does F2 do? <D.NOVACK> f2 does same <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> rgr <[Kelton] KESMAI> damned if i know, i'm lucky to keep up with the ST <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> hehehehehe <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> I like you more and more Kelton 8-} <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> ? F2 and P are supposed to do the same thing, Kelton. <D.NOVACK> very consistant! <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok M.KELLER1 is next ga <[mike] M.KELLER1> 3 quickies related to previous discussions... <[mike] M.KELLER1> can acks depress enuf to hit tanks?ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> yes currently <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> big time <[Kelton] KESMAI> the German 88 was a much feared weapon <[mike] M.KELLER1> is it best to attack tanks with FW from low/behind run?ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> against tanks and anything else they pointed it at <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> that's an 88 now!? <[Kelton] KESMAI> well, i'm just using it as an example <[Kelton] KESMAI> so it didn't seem to unreasonable that the ack would shoot at a tank. <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> what guns are ack? oh...prolly in manual huh <R.WINSLOW> no <[Kelton] KESMAI> as i commented on to dok's question ... we don't currently model directional armor in the tanks ... but i'd like to some day. <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> Ack took 20 hits to kill me, but they DID kill me. <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> I've taken 10-20 ack hits in tank <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (ain't no 88 then) <[mike] M.KELLER1> could Dok's problem re: blowing himself up with bombs... be related to the previously mentioned "400 yard" mistake... in chasing vs chased aircraft?ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> not directly ... but unless he changes course when he goes over the blast ... (provided alt is low) ... the host will see the blast, and due to delays ... tell him about it a few seconds later, when he's farther away. its a related issue. <[mike] M.KELLER1> if he thinks he is 300 yards ahead of blast... the blast may "see" him as right there. oh well, thanks <[Kelton] KESMAI> no, that specific problem would only occur with 2 player-operated moving objects tanks don't move fast enough to cause much error <[mike] M.KELLER1> oh <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (welllllll ........) (les warpes, n'est pas) <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, last formal question is r,grozier ga <R.GROZIER> 4 questions..one at a time anything new in campaign theater? <[Kelton] KESMAI> we have some new capabilities for the campaign manager ... like controlling where different planes can take off. i haven't written up the docs yet. <R.GROZIER> i'd be interested in the new stuff <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> <puts in request for new docs> <[mike] M.KELLER1> will it be in the library? <[Kelton] KESMAI> i.e. campaiugn manager can specific b25s on carriers if he wants. <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> ,BIG Grin!> <[mike] M.KELLER1> 25s on carriers <[Kelton] KESMAI> i generally mail it out via email <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> b17's from carriers <[mike] M.KELLER1> hhmmm <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ie 30 sec. over Tokyo <[Kelton] KESMAI> i suppose it would be good to upload it. <R.WINSLOW> yes, good <[Kelton] KESMAI> the format of the log file is improgved also, you can tell who shot who. <[mike] M.KELLER1> great <R.GROZIER> sounds good-would like new commands if you don't upload them <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (this all new to poor Fangster) <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> <STILL hasn't seen his log from Feb 17> <R.WINSLOW> you're on a roll LK <[Kelton] KESMAI> (i know larry, SORRY) <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, next part? <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> hehe <[mike] M.KELLER1> poor larry <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (log files .... phft) <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> :-) <[Kelton] KESMAI> (i try again to upload it) <R.GROZIER> question 2-from previous question i assume you dont figure in different armor thickness(frontal vs. back) <[Kelton] KESMAI> that is currently correct. <R.GROZIER> what about a tank destroyer? <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> interesting... <[Kelton] KESMAI> well, something like an il-2 is on the list... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh) <[Kelton] KESMAI> for something that'd be interesting ... <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> After the PT Boat, I hope! <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> hehehe that's a good one Larry <[Kelton] KESMAI> but we ran out of time this update. my cohorts said ENOUGH :) <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (Sturmovik will be way fun) <[mike] M.KELLER1> WE said ENOUGH <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> DESTROYERS, CRUISERS, BATTLE SHIPS <R.GROZIER> last question-this going to be filed <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> FULL CREWS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (house boats) <R.GROZIER> in library? <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (goes crazy) <[Kelton] KESMAI> yes it will tomorrow I hope <R.GROZIER> you guys are doing a great job-keep it up <[Kelton] KESMAI> thanks! ****** end of formal conference ****** <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> ???? <[mike] M.KELLER1> yeah! <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (big?) <R.WINSLOW> <informal question> in answer to prev question; u missed ack down time?? <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> ?? <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (hi et) <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (big ? he forgot to ask earlier) <[Kelton] KESMAI> ack down time is 30 min I think <R.WINSLOW> ET!! <R.WINSLOW> tnx LK <J.KANEGAWA1> hi all <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (thats real important) <[Kelton] KESMAI> ok, i'm kinda tired ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> 1 more ? <[Kelton] KESMAI> i;ll take a few more <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> (about why you can't get crew across bridge in tank) <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> yeah!?!?! <[Kelton] KESMAI> have you tried it tonight fang? <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> ooops. <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> well...er...(looks ashamed)...uh <[Kelton] KESMAI> the crew is running into the bridge <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> hehe <[Kelton] KESMAI> the warp fix mighta helped it. <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> not actually TRIED tonite <[mike] M.KELLER1> go try <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> ! <[Kelton] KESMAI> ga dok <[mike] M.KELLER1> come back and report <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> I shall <[Fang] J.FAULKEN> has left. <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> ok ... I've put a lot of effort and an impending ulcer into the RT vis-a-vis ... <[mike] M.KELLER1> god! i was only joking! <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> :-) <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> new scoring / cmapiagn area / no-scores night et al .. .. <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> anything happening w/all that? and, what would help from our end? <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> ga <[Kelton] KESMAI> the tours have had a fair amount of thought .... <[mike] M.KELLER1> yeah tours <[Kelton] KESMAI> but i ran out of time to get em in right away in this update. ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> since its a host thing it can happen later. ... <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> Cool! <R.WINSLOW> ...but will it? <[Kelton] KESMAI> as I think John mentioned in the RT ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> the campaign area is something we feel we MUST have at some point. <[Kelton] KESMAI> again its a matter of finding time. <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> what abvout a no-scores night? ANYTHING to lessen the ELO-madness even fer ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> one night a week. <[Kelton] KESMAI> i haven't thought much about the no score night, thtsd too new <[Kelton] KESMAI> need to chat with the crew about it. <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (sigh) <R.WINSLOW> Cant be worse than jet nites <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> hehe <[Kelton] KESMAI> i think the discussion you've been holding in the RT has been quite helpful ... <[Kelton] KESMAI> no doubt about it. <R.GROZIER> when will jets be available? <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> I am still disapointed that no ELO reset w./this new vers <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> thanks ... i do try <J.KANEGAWA1> !! <[Kelton] KESMAI> i got beaten up in email about it, dok, last week <[mike] M.KELLER1> WHAT??? <[Kelton] KESMAI> so I blew it off for a while. :( <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> i know ... but lotsa folks were expecting (HOPING) for it <[Kelton] KESMAI> some people didn't like the idea of a reset. <J.KANEGAWA1> i thought elo reset would have been appropriate <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> and some really wanted it but didn't send you hate mail <[Kelton] KESMAI> well anyway, i want to have significant changes to it, likeranks, and maybe tours. <[mike] M.KELLER1> scores should be reset once a year, like taxes! <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> Hmph! I woulda cared less, one way or the other. <[Kelton] KESMAI> true, its a hate mail voting contest (sigh) <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> Hall Of Fame would make this decision mucho easier <J.KANEGAWA1> new gunnery makes game a lot different <R.WINSLOW> How about attitude gyros and independant controls options? <[Kelton] KESMAI> very true, it woulda been a good time. <[Kelton] KESMAI> those are things i may find time to do some day, garos ... <[mike] M.KELLER1> give one month to practice, then reset <R.WINSLOW> sigh <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> or, as before, a "scratch" campaign <[Kelton] KESMAI> the flight model does still need some work,. <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> yeah! Bring on the snap rolls! <J.KANEGAWA1> what are your feelings about a hall of fame, lk? <R.WINSLOW> Just strange to have the flight controls of an Ercoupe <[Kelton] KESMAI> i think its a good idea, but i haven't had a specific thought enough... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> would it be too late to make this campaign's scores just get dumped? <[Kelton] KESMAI> to galvanize me to do it. <J.KANEGAWA1> cc <[Kelton] KESMAI> well if i reset this camopaign and post last camopaigns scores... <[Kelton] KESMAI> it'd have that effect ... <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> that'd help - just announce that this is a "practice" campagn so people can... <[Kelton] KESMAI> but then all the folks flying for elo now would scream theuy were ripped off <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> LEARN <R.MATHEWSS> is here. <[Kelton] KESMAI> as they were before. we're just gonna have to bite the bullet. <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> how many fly for ELO vs./ how many want/need to learn? <[Kelton] KESMAI> i only wanted to bite one at a time :) <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> hehee <J.KANEGAWA1> perhaps you should make id #'s visible to enemy... <[mike] M.KELLER1> let 'em rebuild their elo. this isn't Dungeons & Dragons. <J.KANEGAWA1> then people would really know what its like to fly for elo <[Kelton] KESMAI> good point. <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> ELO-hounds more vocal is all .... <[mike] M.KELLER1> maybe id #s should be visible at 500 yds. <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> lotsa hot players need the room to learn right now <[Kelton] KESMAI> true <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> Illwind was having a terrible time other nite <[Kelton] KESMAI> he's not alone in being frustrated, i think <R.WINSLOW> ahem, and some not so hot as well. <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> (sigh) ... ELO wins again ... (no knock, just frustration showin) <[mike] M.KELLER1> i very frustrated <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> hehe <[Kelton] KESMAI> anyway, i gotta get up early, so i need to head on out/ <[mike] M.KELLER1> and i not so hot <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> i finally caught on last nite, but needed spare acct to do it with <J.KANEGAWA1> good night lk <R.MATHEWSS> Kelton, What does 2 lines mean on an ESC d? <[Kelton] KESMAI> thanks all for coming! <[mike] M.KELLER1> nice conference kelton <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> see ya LK <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> OK, C Ya Kelton! <R.WINSLOW> Thanks for a good session. Much appreciated LK! <R.GROZIER> night lk <[Kelton] KESMAI> the delay tells you how long the data takes to get to the host <[Kelton] KESMAI> the others are unimportant <[Ridge Runner] DARK.EMPIRE> later dudes! <[Larry] L.WOODWORTH> What about A Tank shack being so close to bridge? <R.MATHEWSS> is 2 good <J.KANEGAWA1> bye ridge <[Kelton] KESMAI> 2 is average <[DoKtOr GoNzO] MSMILLER> bye rr <[Kelton] KESMAI> later! <[Ridge Runner] DARK.EMPIRE> has left.